Hello prep lounge community,
So I managed to arrange a 15 mins phone chat with an engagement manager who works for Mckinsey.
Any tips and advice on how to conduct this conversation and ultimately influence a referral?
Thanks !
Hello prep lounge community,
So I managed to arrange a 15 mins phone chat with an engagement manager who works for Mckinsey.
Any tips and advice on how to conduct this conversation and ultimately influence a referral?
Thanks !
Hi Anonymous,
as for my experience:
You can find more about the referral process at the following link:
https://www.preplounge.com/en/consulting-forum/open-house-at-bcg-311#a623
Best,
Francesco
Agree with all suggested in other answers. Would stress the importance of the "elevator pitch.
Another thing very important is to highlight that you haven't applied yet or haven't been to company events or more in general that the company doesn't have your resume. This because "the candidate being previously unknown to the company" is usually the condition to be met for the person on the inside to count you as a "referral" and get their referral monetary incentive in case you get hired.
Finally I would be quite open about next steps and the (potential) role of the person on the phone in your application process.
At the end of the day the call is more of a mere courtesy, the ask should be polite and respectful but clear.
Hope it helps,
Andrea
Hi!
I was in a similar spot as you a couple of weeks ago so I can tell you what I did and what happened next. However, I have no actual experience from the inside of those firms so this is purely informational.
Before the call, I made sure to do some research on the engagement manager to get a feel of the kind person I'd be speaking to. Then, I prepared a couple questions about the firm, the process and the industry in general. It's always nice to develop further during the call to have a conversation, this shouldn't feel like an interrogation.
During the call, I tried to show a genuine interest and motivation for both consulting and the firm. The rest usually follows by itself! I feel like if the person wants to help you, they will without you having to ask!
Good luck!
Hey,
I would like to second Vlad's point below: asking for a referral after a simple 15min call can be very dangerous. Personally I've faced several situations like those (both at Business School and via LinkedIn) and never accepted to provide such references without being sure that the person would indeed be a good fit for McKinsey.
Best option is to finish the call and try to ask for a follow up mock up interview meeting. After such meeting, and if you shine on it, the consultant can then support a refferal!
Best
Bruno
I'll echo what the previous poster said - do a bit of background research on the Manager, on the particular McKinsey office they work in, and come prepared with a few good questions. Make sure those questions are important to you; in other words, ask sincere questions where you care about the answer. If culture is important to you, ask questions about that. If the types of clients served (e.g. particular industry, Fortune 500, etc) is important, ask about that. If you care about work/life balance, inquire about that. I could go on, but I think you get the picture.
One other thing: come prepared with some form of "elevator speech" of your background, why want to be a consultant, and why McKinsey interests you. It doesn't necessarily have to be highly polished, but you should at least be ready to tell the Engagement Manager what skills you bring and why you're interested.
As an important caveat, I'm in the same boat as you: on the outside, networking to get in. I do not have a view from inside a consulting firm, but based on my experience those two things (list of questions + background material on yourself) have worked well.
Hi,
I would not recommend asking for a referral on a 15 min call. It may play against you. Noone gives the referral after a 15 min talk. Ask for a meeting to solve a case if that is possible.
Best
I would respectfully disagree with what Vlad suggested on this one. Asking for a case is a good follow up. Asking for a case upfront with a cold call email will result with way lower yield.
Andrea
I would say it depends. I believe that the odds of someone refusing to do a referral are roughly equivalent to the odds of someone insvedting a marginal hour to give a mock case to someone they do not know.
That said I think is very important to develop a sensitivity and understand who you are talking with. There are people, like Bruno, who want to vet throughly candidates before referring them. There are several others who are willing to sell referrals for money (see on fishbowl). Not that that is a behavior that is acceptable, but that's the reality of the referral market.
andrea
I would not recommend messing with referrals for money, etc. Referrals not only work to increase the chances of your resume to pass through (and it's not guaranteed by the way).
A good contact in the Firm will help you to get some extra informal feedback, renegotiate the interview dates, etc. For example, a person who made me a referral negotiated a faster second round for me since I already had 2 other offers. He also helped me later a lot with onboarding and became my DGL (Career counselor).
Best!
Hello Guys
I have a similar situation now, but I guess you got a better chance speaking with one of the engagement managers, I emailed the managing partner and he passed my email directly to the recruiter and she will call me. It is meant to be an introductory call to McKinsey, Any advsises? How was your call witht he engagement manager?
Thank you.